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Post by Keith on Aug 7, 2006 11:19:22 GMT -6
Aish.com[/url] has produced a video about the truth of Israel's fight against Hezbollah in Lebanon. Please watch this two minute film: Lebanon: Myths & Facts.
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Post by mikeengland on Aug 7, 2006 12:14:36 GMT -6
Very Interesting Keifer, I have joined there newsletter.
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Post by citizen on Aug 7, 2006 12:45:16 GMT -6
Interesting maybe ... but hardly unbiased and questionably "truthful."
As of August 3:
The obscene score-card for death stands as follows: 508 Lebanese civilians, 46 Hezbollah guerrillas, 26 Lebanese soldiers, 36 Israeli soldiers and 19 Israeli civilians.
Hezbollah is killing more soldiers than civilians, at a rate of approximately 2 to 1.
Israel is killing FAR more civilians than guerrillas, at a rate of approximately 10 to 1.
There are two sides to every story, and I doubt that the innocent people caught in the crossfire care an awful lot WHO is to blame. Killing is killing and evil is evil.
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Post by Steve on Aug 7, 2006 13:13:23 GMT -6
If we're going to discuss truthfulness let's go all the way....
Hezbollah declared war on Israel in 1982. In that time they have suicide- or car-bombed THOUSANDS of Israeli civilians, not to mention 241 U.S. service members sleeping in their beds in a Beirut barracks in 1983. The butcher's bill is by and far on Hezbollah's side.
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Post by citizen on Aug 7, 2006 13:59:14 GMT -6
I don't defend Hezbollah, Steve -- I'm after the truth of defending innocent people whether Israeli or Labanese. That little propaganda film is titled "Lebanon Myths and Facts," not "Hezbollah Myths and Facts" It tries to paint Lebanon as if it IS Hezbollah and it's not. For the life of me, as hard as I have been trying, I do not understand why people are so unwilling to pray for ALL innocent people who are suffering from this war. It's as if praying for a Lebanese child is somehow praying "against" Israel.
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Post by sybaelle on Aug 7, 2006 14:10:10 GMT -6
Interesting maybe ... but hardly unbiased and questionably "truthful." As of August 3: The obscene score-card for death stands as follows: 508 Lebanese civilians, 46 Hezbollah guerrillas, 26 Lebanese soldiers, 36 Israeli soldiers and 19 Israeli civilians. Hezbollah is killing more soldiers than civilians, at a rate of approximately 2 to 1. Israel is killing FAR more civilians than guerrillas, at a rate of approximately 10 to 1. There are two sides to every story, and I doubt that the innocent people caught in the crossfire care an awful lot WHO is to blame. Killing is killing and evil is evil. God cares. Having watched fox news as much as possible since the beginning of this altercation, I find that video to be stating the truth in all instances. Israel asked nicely several times for the return of its soldiers and was refused. To do nothing would give Hezbollah more power. They started out slowly but due to Hezbollah's continual bombings have had no choice but to intensify their attacks, and they do have the right to do what they're doing. As far as the casualties go, it's pure blind luck that the civilian casualties that Hezbollah has garnered so far have been less than the many that Israel has killed. Hezbollahs' main supply of rockets are capable of targeting so they have to just shoot, hope they hit something and go from there. Israel, on the other hand is in the middle of a bunch of people who would side with Hezbollah, given the chance, in spite of the fact that Hezbollah hides behind them. It is no secret that the Arab countries want Israel destroyed. I have seen reports of this many times in the past few weeks coming from different Arab heads of state, one of them being the Lebanese Prime Minister himself. It is true that there is a UN resolution 1559 that Lebanon has never enforced. It is true that Hezbollah has been killing and murdering innocent lives for over 20 years now. Israel has been hounded ever since it became a state again in 1948, not to mention the many horrors that were done to them before that. They are fighting to survive. Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations want to kill Israel, Christians and any other people who don't believe in their ways. And Israel is God's chosen people.
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Post by Keith on Aug 7, 2006 14:38:22 GMT -6
Interesting maybe ... but hardly unbiased...The obscene score-card for death stands as follows: 508 Lebanese civilians, 46 Hezbollah guerrillas, 26 Lebanese soldiers, 36 Israeli soldiers and 19 Israeli civilians. So, your lack of Israeli support is based upon the accuracy of each side's missiles to actully hit its target, irregardless of who instigated the conflict. And you say the video is biased... That little propaganda film is titled "Lebanon Myths and Facts," not "Hezbollah Myths and Facts" It tries to paint Lebanon as if it IS Hezbollah and it's not. But it sure has a good start. The Council on Foreign Relations states that "After the 2005 elections, Hezbollah won fourteen seats in the 128-member Lebanese Parliament. In addition, Hezbollah has two ministers in the government, and a third is endorsed by the group. Hezbollah did not disarm when it entered Lebanese politics, and experts say the group's new political involvement is not an indication that the group is becoming more moderate."It's very clear whom you've chosen to bless Lorie... "And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee..." (Genesis 12:3 KJV)
"For thus saith the LORD of hosts...he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye." (Zechariah 2:8 KJV)
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Post by sybaelle on Aug 7, 2006 14:42:46 GMT -6
I remember Israel asking the people through the news sources to ask the people to leave, days before they moved further in, trying to give the innocent people time to leave. Some of those people refused to leave. Do I feel more for one than the other? No. I feel for all who are hurt in wars and terror attacks. I was only trying to point out that the civilians that Israel were killing were due more to Hezbollah using them as human shields. And the people are letting them. Do I pray? Yes, I pray that as many people as possible would come to Christ through these last days signs we are seeing. Please see my video at www.sybaelle.com. I think you will see that I am not as calloused as you may think I am.
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Post by Steve on Aug 7, 2006 15:40:24 GMT -6
Yes, it's an tragic situation for Lebanese civilians; their government failed them.
Their government failed to be proactive. Their government failed to prevent an evil entity from growing and strengthening in their country. Their government failed to provide basic services (roads, schools, medical care, etc.) to its citizens but allowed that evil entity to provide them. Their government failed to disallow that evil entity from attacking a sovereign nation which they knew would result in retaliation. Their government failed to evacuate its citizens from the combat area. Their government failed to join with the side of righteousness (Israel) in combating this evil entity. Their government failed to protect them. My heart and prayers go out to the innocent Lebanese civilians.
Their government failed them.
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Post by citizen on Aug 7, 2006 16:59:16 GMT -6
So, your lack of Israeli support is based upon the accuracy of each side's missiles to actully hit its target, irregardless of who instigated the conflict. And you say the video is biased... When I have a spiritual struggle, very often if I am honest with myself I find that pride is at the root of it. That is not a very flattering thing to say about myself, but it is the truth. Does speaking the truth about myself when it is not flattering toward me mean I am against myself, or don't support myself? Speaking the truth about Israel when she acts wrongly is not the same as being "against" her. Hezbollah may hide among civilians, but Israeli bombs killed civilians. Israel is not excused from her part in the murders. But it sure has a good start. The Council on Foreign Relations states that "After the 2005 elections, Hezbollah won fourteen seats in the 128-member Lebanese Parliament. In addition, Hezbollah has two ministers in the government, and a third is endorsed by the group. Hezbollah did not disarm when it entered Lebanese politics, and experts say the group's new political involvement is not an indication that the group is becoming more moderate."Here's another fact about Lebanon -- the constitution dictates that the president is always Christian, the prime minister Sunni Muslim, and the parliamentary speaker Shia Muslim. There are over 1.3 million Christians in Lebanon. It's very clear whom you've chosen to bless Lorie... "And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee..." (Genesis 12:3 KJV)
"For thus saith the LORD of hosts...he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye." (Zechariah 2:8 KJV)I chose to bless all mankind with my prayers for them -- that every person may know our Lord Jesus Christ. "But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you."
"Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep."I really wonder at the lack of compassion I see. When Jesus witnessed people suffering and when He forsaw suffering, He wept. Central to His message was that He came for ALL mankind and that we are to consider our enemies our "neighbor."
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Post by citizen on Aug 7, 2006 17:00:32 GMT -6
Do I feel more for one than the other? No. I feel for all who are hurt in wars and terror attacks. I was only trying to point out that the civilians that Israel were killing were due more to Hezbollah using them as human shields. And the people are letting them. Do I pray? Yes, I pray that as many people as possible would come to Christ through these last days signs we are seeing. Amen, and God bless you!
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Post by citizen on Aug 7, 2006 17:03:01 GMT -6
Yes, it's an tragic situation for Lebanese civilians; their government failed them. Their government failed to be proactive. Their government failed to prevent an evil entity from growing and strengthening in their country. Their government failed to provide basic services (roads, schools, medical care, etc.) to its citizens but allowed that evil entity to provide them. Their government failed to disallow that evil entity from attacking a sovereign nation which they knew would result in retaliation. Their government failed to evacuate its citizens from the combat area. Their government failed to join with the side of righteousness (Israel) in combating this evil entity. Their government failed to protect them. My heart and prayers go out to the innocent Lebanese civilians. Their government failed them. Are their brothers and sisters in Christ failing them too? Their president is Christian and over a million Lebanese are Christian. Are we praying for them? Are we praying for non-Christians to come to know Jesus Christ? That's all I'm asking ... it's easy to place blame & paint it black and white but I don't think that's very honest.
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Post by Rednek32 on Aug 7, 2006 18:29:37 GMT -6
Do I feel more for one than the other? No. I feel for all who are hurt in wars and terror attacks. I was only trying to point out that the civilians that Israel were killing were due more to Hezbollah using them as human shields. And the people are letting them. Do I pray? Yes, I pray that as many people as possible would come to Christ through these last days signs we are seeing. Amen, and God bless you! i bolded the part of that quote that you just seem to ignore lori. these terrorists feed on people like you that look at these civilian casualties and turn away from Israel. being a christian sounds good in name but just about anyone these days claim they are christian and yet don't even know what being a Christian means. lack of compassion? where is your compassion when it comes to Israel defending itself from these bloodthirsty terrorists? where is your compassion on speaking out against Hezbolla using the citizens as human shields to make Israel look bad or would you rather Israel just look the other way and do nothing so that these terrorists can accomplish what they want? is that what you want for Israel to be no more to be blown off the map? will everyone accept Jesus as their Saviour? no they won't and those that don't will spend eternity seperated from God in hell. not everyone will be in heaven lori in fact read this parable:
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Post by Murph on Aug 7, 2006 18:41:14 GMT -6
There is a much larger war going on here. It is one we can't see and some deny, but it rages all around us whether we choose to acknowledge it or not. The stage is being set the plan having been set in motion from the beginning. We are on a collison course with it and it can not be thawarted by any man.
The Hand at work some of us know and trust and some of us deny...none the less our Father's Hand is what is guiding the world to it's final destany. The players are beginning to assemble on the stage. We know the beginning and we know who the enemy of God is. We know the outcome. We are seeing the route it will take unfolding before our eyes.
"But thus saith the LORD, Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away, and the prey of the terrible shall be delivered: for I will contend with him that contendeth with thee, and I will save thy children. And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob."
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Post by ldysly on Aug 7, 2006 19:54:51 GMT -6
AMEN!!!!!!!!!! Do I pray for the civilians? Yes, I pray that they will heed both the flyers that Israel drops and the words of Jesus. I pray for God's will to be done, whatever that may be. If this is the beginning of the end times then I pray for Christ to come soon. If this is not then I pray for God to give everyone the strength and grace to get through this. All things are in the Father's hands and I trust that he has it all in control.
What you may see as callousness is in reality obedience. God's ways are not ours and the decisions are not ours to make.
So pray, pray long and hard for everyone concerned. Yes, also those who are not Christian, that they will somehow hear the Gospel and believe. And pray that the Christians who are there will get out when they know the bombs are coming and not let terrorists use them as human shields. If they are Christians then they should know exactly what this is all about. Read the Book, it's all there.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Yes, I know that these verses refer to Babylon put by the same point, God tells us there are certain areas we shouldn't be. I would say in the midsts of terrorists who publicly call for the total annhilation and destruction of Israel would be one of them.
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Post by Keith on Aug 7, 2006 21:13:07 GMT -6
... it's easy to place blame & paint it black and white but I don't think that's very honest. Seems like that's exactly what you've done: Israel is not excused from her part in the murders.
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Post by Murph on Aug 7, 2006 21:33:24 GMT -6
murders?
Strong accusation ...
Citizen writes... "... Are we praying for them? Are we praying for non-Christians to come to know Jesus Christ?
That's all I'm asking ..."
And we have all answered you...
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Post by Caretaker on Aug 7, 2006 22:02:49 GMT -6
directory.kol-israel.com/asites/?A Letter To Tony Blair: believe that your analysis of a wide arc of terror is entirely accurate, and that failure to act now against the spreading evil of radical Islam may expose this country, its allies, and many other nations round the globe to increasingly severe acts of terror that will shift, given time, to more conflict of the kind now seen in Lebanon, Iraq, and Afghanistan. I know that international pressure for a cease-fire in Lebanon is intense, and I realize that time must be running out for you and those few nations who have seen the real danger Israel now faces. Please stand firm. To leave Hizbullah largely intact would be to guarantee greater and bloodier fighting in the years ahead. The danger, as I am sure you are aware, is not only to Israel, but for the people of Lebanon, who may find themselves at Hizbullah's mercy. Not only that, but a perceived victory for Hizbullah would permit both Syria and Iran to extend their baneful influence further through the region. If Hizbullah is seen to be capable of fighting with reasonable success against one of the world's best armies, how may that not be interpreted elsewhere in the Islamic world? It would certainly be a boost for recruitment to radical jihadist ideology, to active jihadist groups, and to international organizations like al-Qaida. Here in Britain, support for terrorism among large sections of the Muslim population is an alarming trend that must surely be cut off before it grows to unmanageable proportions. I believe you are right to call for the glorification of terrorism to become an offence, but I also believe you have been taking advice from sections within the Muslim community that are committed to an anti-Western, anti-British, and anti-Semitic view of the world. If Hizbullah should proclaim even a partial victory, I would expect to see more young Muslims here flock to the banner of jihad, whether to fight abroad or here in the UK. In the Middle East, force alone will not solve a deeply embedded problem. But one thing I am certain of and that is so long as its neighbors do not recognize Israel and its right to exist, there will never be peace. With a terrorist organization in control of Gaza and dominant in the West Bank, with a terrorist army on its borders, and with an apocalyptic Iranian president determined to wipe it from the map, Israel is faced with the greatest threat ever suffered by any nation since these islands faced the armies of the Third Reich. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ It is Israel which values human life, that is why the responses are surgical rather than blanket annihilation, which would be far safer for Israeli troops. The rabid dogs fire their rockets at any target in Israel, men, women, children. Just as the other rabid dogs send their indoctrinated children into crowds with explosives strapped to their chests. The goal is the utter destruction of Israel, and how many in the west give heed to the liberal media bias and become facilitators for evil.
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Post by Murph on Aug 8, 2006 16:16:27 GMT -6
"Here's another fact about Lebanon -- the constitution dictates that the president is always Christian, the prime minister Sunni Muslim, and the parliamentary speaker Shia Muslim."
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This was posted above but what was omitted is that the president of Lebanon is a Maronite Christian.
Maronites are members of an Eastern Catholic Church in full communion with the Pope of the Roman Catholic Church.
In other words the president of Lebanon is Catholic.
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Post by Lawrence on Aug 15, 2006 9:21:10 GMT -6
Dear Brother Keith: Here are some observations on the current impasse of the Israel-Lebanon-Hizbullah conflict: The conflict is at the crossroads of a very decisive turning point. 1) It is perhaps for the first time in the history of modern Israel that Israel has an inept government whose Prime minister--a second rate politician and a businessman knows nothing of the Divine significance of Israel; a defense minister who is a bargainer of trade unions; a novice Foreign Minister an unknown personality Tzipi Livini; This is a situation that glaringly reveals the bankruptcy of the ruling government of the Kadima meaning "forward" that is indeed backward in all respects. Absolute failure to press for a decisive solution; 2) Israel populace weary of the rockets and sirens hounded into underground shelters with fear writ large; the economy is failing and the withdrawal syndrome is not only from Gaza but also the sense of disillusionment that widely prevails there. WHERE IS THE GOD OF ISRAEL??? perhaps seems to be the chant of the disillusioned Israeli citizen who is reeling under the attacks and hostile chants of the day. Compare todays situation with 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982 after the Bekaa valley success. What lessons for Israel? Your strength has always come from the Lord God the maker of heaven and earth-Psalms 121:1,2 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psa%20121&version=91 I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help. 2 My help cometh from the LORD, which made heaven and earth. Because the Word of God says that... v4 4Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep. Psalms 121:4 These verses have not sunk into the psyches of Ehud Olmert and his vanity team. 3) Israel's arch-adversaries Iran, Syria, Hizbullah, Russia are gloating that they have for the first time dented the myth of Israel's armed invincibility. Because the ground situation in Lebanon thanks to the ineptitude of the US Secy of State Condilezza Rice and the willful arrogance of Javier Solana the EU Foreign Policy Czar and the criminal intent of Kofi Annan and fellow criminals at the UN--the hands of Israel and the US have been tied. Now who is taking the lead. France--France is the worst anti-Israel country in the world. The leader of the coming anti-Christ confederacy in Europe. Russia is asserting its influence all at the cost of the United States that is being wearied in Iraq and hounded and defied by Syria and Iran; This situation parallels the situation in Judges 16:20-24 v:24 is quite specific and relevant in what Nasarallah, Ahamednehad and Bashar Assad said after the UN Ceasefire Resolution 1701; v24b ".... Our god hath delivered into our hands our enemy, and the destroyer of our country, which slew many of us...." Our god means terrorism and Allah..."
4) President Bush, Secy Rice and Primemnister Olmert have declared victory from the UN ceasefire. Little did they realize that this is trap....because the arbiters of the ceasefire is not the US but the UN. The UN is perhaps the most hostile international organization to the US and Israel. Ask the US Ambassador John Bolton he would tell you.
5) But our Lord God is in ABSOLUTE COMMAND OF THE SITUATION. SOME ONE PLEASE TELL PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH NOT TO LISTEN TO CONDILEZZA RICE BUT TO KNEEL AND PRAY IN THE OVAL OFFICE TO DISCERN THE MIND OF GOD. Its perhaps too late from him now....
The Lord God has the superspeciality of turning adversity into advantage. Often the Lord God has always used the most hostile states to fulfill His Infallible Omnipotent Master plan.
6) The apparent sense of Pyhrric victory by the Hizbullah and its patrons Syria and Iran has emboldened them to step up attacks on Israel.
7) Read the news "Syrian officials: Golan Heights offensive possible " www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3272736,00.html This is the begining of the end for Damascus. Again we read in Judges 16:25. a) Israel like Samson is the object of ridicule today thanks to the inept Olmert-Peretz-Livini combine; b) Israel like Samson is being blinded to the ground realities by the attrition of war weariness and the desperate thirst for peace; c) Israel like Samson is the Gladiator of the Middle East in the Colossium for entertainment;
8) This is perhaps the critical point when the radical Islamists, the treacherous Europeans led by France, Italy and Germany; the wily criminal Russians are gloating that about the tenacity of the Hizbullah and the power of the Russian-Chinese arms against Israel. They have defied the Lord God in accordance to Genesis 12:3 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gen%2012;&version=9; 3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
9) The myth that Israel can be defeated has already sunk into the psyches of the radical Islamic nations and the terrorist groups and the Russians who have backing all their actions. This is perhaps the "hooks in the jaws" for the Russians--the temptation to battle Israel. Ezekiel 38:4 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=33&chapter=38&version=9 4And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws,
10) In the meanwhile Bashar Assad is emboldened to retake Golan Heights. Remember Golan Heights is Bashan in the Biblical geography. The Lord God gave it to Israel. In the 1967 war they recovered it Read Jeremiah 50:19 19And I will bring Israel again to his habitation, and he shall feed on Carmel and Bashan, and his soul shall be satisfied upon mount Ephraim and Gilead. Syria would attempt to attack Israel in Golan Heights while it would simultaneously trigger the Hizbullah in Lebanon to open the Northern front of Israel--the UN and European Force would sit still perhaps aid the Hizbullah too. Syria's operational manuver would be to use its SS-21, SS-26 Russian supplied ballistic missiles with Chemical weapons on Israel Air Force bases with Syrian missile attacks in the lead, egged by Iran and backed by the Russians and the Hizbullah very confident of tying Israel down with its massive rocket barrage. The UN-European force would desperately run for cover out of Lebanon. Syrian ballistic missile attacks on critical Israeli targets would finally result in Israel's "Samson Option" (Israel's nuclear doctrine is named as Samson Option--that when threatened with dire circumstances of death and destruction to the point of mass devastation--then pull your enemies along with you to death) Here it is absolutely coincidental with Judges 16:25-30 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Judges%2016;&version=9;
25And it came to pass, when their hearts were merry, that they said, Call for Samson, that he may make us sport. And they called for Samson out of the prison house; and he made them sport: and they set him between the pillars.
26And Samson said unto the lad that held him by the hand, Suffer me that I may feel the pillars whereupon the house standeth, that I may lean upon them.
27Now the house was full of men and women; and all the lords of the Philistines were there; and there were upon the roof about three thousand men and women, that beheld while Samson made sport.
28And Samson called unto the LORD, and said, O Lord God, remember me, I pray thee, and strengthen me, I pray thee, only this once, O God, that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes.
29And Samson took hold of the two middle pillars upon which the house stood, and on which it was borne up, of the one with his right hand, and of the other with his left.
30And Samson said, Let me die with the Philistines. And he bowed himself with all his might; and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that were therein. So the dead which he slew at his death were more than they which he slew in his life.
This would be the one-devastating blow of a Israeli nuclear strike by a Jericho II Medium Ballistic Missile carryiing one of Israel's clandestine nuclear warheads to Damascus (Israel has an unofficial nuclear arsenal of 400 nuclear warheads of all categories)
THAT WOULD BE THE FULFILLMENT OF ISAIAH 17:1 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa%2017;&version=9;
11) The destruction of Damascus would turn the world hostile against Israel Isa 17:4 and also set the stage for HIS GLORIOUS APPEARANCE I THESS 4:16-17
12) This would then result in the massive Russian-Muslim nations confederacy of Gog-Magog in Eze 38,39
The lessons of this conflict is a) the apostate Olmert Govt would be soon thrown out; b) the rise of a new Israel under a strong leadership that would daringly strike at Damascus; c) the end of the UN and global hypocrisy of peacebuilding efforts in the Middle East in which the Illuminati personalities like Javier Solana, Condilezza Rice, Tzipi Livini would be utterly exposed. THAT SETS THE STAGE WHEN OUR LORD GOD WOULD USE THIS EXTREME ADVERSITY TO HIS WONDERFUL AND MARVELOUS ADVANTAGE TO SAVE ISRAEL BOTH FROM ITS INTERNAL ENEMIES LIKE OLMERT & CO AND EXTERNAL ENEMIES LIKE THE UN, EUROPE, RUSSIA AND THE RADICAL ISLAMIC STATES.
SHALOM, Lawrence
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