Saved after the Rapture?

[Keith]

ldysly said:

What about the Jews?

This is where dispensationalism kicks in Sylvia. We are currently in the times of the Gentiles. When the Church age is over at the Rapture and the Tribulation begins, the Jews are again the focus of God's attention. A Jew who dies without Christ is still no different than a Gentile who dies without Christ. And remember, only one-third of the Jews are saved during Tribulation, so it sounds as though many of their hearts will be hardened as well...

[Murph]

The Rapture ends the Church age or age of Grace. But it is interesting that Israel passed back into the hands of the Jews and out of the hands of the Gentile nations around 1948...the world's attention has gradually shifted from Europe and the Western world and the world is focused once again on Israel.

Same thing has happened with the Apostacy. It was gradual and now has picked up speed. The more the world attention is focused on Israel the faster the apostacy spreads...it appears so to me anyway.

[Keith]

duck said:

The more the world attention is focused on Israel the faster the apostacy spreads...it appears so to me anyway.

It's so awesome to see how End Time subjects are coming into the news Marilyn! Fox, CNN, NBC and ABC have all been running pieces featuring people such as John Hagee, Jerry Jenkins, Tim LaHaye and others talking about the current Middle East conflict and how it plays into what the Bible says. I am simply in awe at how God is drawing a line in the sand and making people choose sides. I believe He's gathering the final members of the Church.

Put it like this: It's so close, I wouldn't buy any green bananas if I were you! ;D

[Murph]

Had to laugh. Went to a local produce stand and decided to get some tomatoes. I usually get some ripe and some not so ripe and put them in the window to ripen. From what we are seeing in the news, I bougth all ripe ones...

[ldysly]

I too have been amazed at how much coverage they are giving on the national channels. However I wish they would give full time for explanations. Seems like they just want a few sound bites to fill in. Hopefully this will send some folks running to their Bibles to see what this is all about.

But I would still like to explore this topic some more because I'm still not totally convinced that folks won't be saved after the Rapture. After all if that were so why doesn't God just take the church and then wipe out the earth? Why go through the whole tribulation if not to give the remaining people a chance?

What about young people in the middle east who know about Christ but have been indoctrinated from birth with hatred? What about people right here who have been raised with no church background at all or by atheists? They know of Christ and I'm sure have even had exposure to someone who has perhaps tried to explain salvation to them. But ideas indoctrinated from birth can be very hard to overcome. Seeing the plagues might change some of their minds.

God knows all things and so would know what took place in their life. Do you think that He would not accept them? The thought of that just breaks my heart.

I know that God has limits to His patience (and I think it's just about run out) but He is also a loving God and not willing that any should perish. The passage in 2 Peter that speaks of this talks of many things. Scoffers who will walk about and are willingly ignorant....

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

But even after this we see

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

2Pe 3:10 ¶ But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2Pe 3:11 [Seeing] then [that] all these things shall be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation and godliness,

I mean, I know that this is telling us to be godly in manner and watch for the Lord. But it also says He is longsuffering and not willing that ANY should perish.

I'm confused!!!!!!!!!!

[Keith]

ldysly said:

But I would still like to explore this topic some more because I'm still not totally convinced that folks won't be saved after the Rapture.

There'll be more saved after the Rapture than you can count sister. But it's going to be people that haven't heard the Gospel before.

There is a train of thought by some folks that it's not necessarily just people who haven't HEARD the Gospel will be able to be saved, but also people who didn't UNDERSTAND the Gospel message when they heard it. That's possible, so we'll just have to see who the Spirit pours Himself out to on the earth when we get Home...

[snowrosies]

I had never given thought to the ones that get left behind when the rapture comes it will be as when noah shut the door of the ark and the floods came and so all the ones who reject will be on the outside and left so as for me I find joy great hope I watch daily and am greatly looking foward to the rapture and here is something interesting to consider in refer to it shall be as the days of noah! and so I believe the rapture is immenent and am hopeful everyday 8-)I believe jesus wanted us to know to look up our redemption draweth nigh to also comfort one another with the watching for the rapture and so maybe you would be interested in consider the diference about the 2 events one is the rapture the other is the 2nd comeing and so as for the rapture of the church I believe jesus wanted us to hope for it watch and pray and comfort one another and so for all you hopeful think about this is says I want to look into this a little deeper because we have been told by so many for so long that it means we will not know the day or hour Jesus will rapture the church or the day and hour He returns as seen in Zechariah 14:4 and His feet actually touch the Mount of Olives. Lets look at what is really said here.

First, Mark 13:3 tells us Jesus was asked three questions by Peter, James, John and Andrew. The questions however, are recorded in Matthew 24:3;

And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

The first question is asked regarding what Jesus just told them about the temple from verse 1 & 2;

1: And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

2: And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Jesus answers them and then goes through a lengthy dissertation regarding signs of the end. The last question asked is the point addressed when Jesus tells them this in verses 35 & 36;

Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

That and that alone, is what Jesus is refering to. It has not one thing to do in reference to the rapture of the church OR His second coming when His feet touch Mount of Olives.

Even verses 29 and 30 should lead us to understand that He has given them information regarding the destruction of the temple prior to this point. Then He states this;

29: Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

That speaks directly to His second coming.

The signs Jesus has given them regarding what will be generally happening at the end is what He spoke to.

Then Jesus gives them a specific answer regarding the final judgment and the point in time this world and heaven pass away and God creates a new heaven and earth. That point in time is the only thing Jesus is refering to when He tells them:

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

That day and hour is the day God causes this heaven and earth to pass away and we see the next event from Revelation 21:1;

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea

That and that alone, is what Jesus is speaking to. And don't forget what Jesus told us about His church being raptured in the very next verse 38.

38: For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

Luke 17:27 records the same statement;

They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

The day Noah entered the ark can be found in Genesis 7:11;

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

That is the 17th of Cheshvan and it falls on November 8th this year. Also Noah died 2,006 years after Noah! Did you know that? GO HERE

And Cheshvan 17 5767 (Nov.8, 2006) is precisely 14,400 days (40 years) from June 6, 1967.

Anyway, I hope this clears up the question surrounding just what "day knoweth no man" is that Jesus spoke about.
;D ;D

[snowrosies]

There'll be more saved after the Rapture than you can count sister. But it's going to be people that haven't heard the Gospel before.
Thank you keifer AMEN TO THAT! and when they try and explain away how come thousands dissappeared without a trace i think for the ones who are saved after the rapture that they will hear of and believe the rapture did happen! so Jesus may actually know that the rapture will be a event that many ones who are left will then believe and they may be the ones who have to die for thier faith however they can still do that and be saved after the rapture they may suffer so my sugestion is believe now and dont get left behind and should that happen be strong enough that even should you have to be be-headed for your faith in Jesus christ do it

[snowrosies]

here is some comforting hope to look forward to 17th of Cheshvan and it falls on November 8th this year. we can go anytime however just think what if it is this soon would that not be something to be very joyful about we should treat everyday as if it is our last because someday it will be ;D ;D IM LOOKING FOR JESUS AND HAVE HOPE IN THE SURE PROMISE OF THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH