Daniel 11:37 and Obama?

[Murph]

Was reading something on the anti-christ and read Daniel 11:37

"Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all."

Obama was born to a Muslim father.

but he doesn't "regard the God of his fathers"...

I don't know whether Obama is the anti-christ or not. Bible tells us ,

"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition..." 2 Thessalonians 2:3

However, it is something to think on.

[Keith]

Verse 3 is talking about the Second Coming, verse 4 is speaking of Antichrist's rule during Tribulation and verses 6-9 us foretelling of his appearance. You might say the writer was speaking in reverse during those passages...

Obama is not the Antichrist. The evil one isn't revealed until after the Rapture of the Church:

"...he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed... (2 Thessalonians 2:7-8)

Here's a more 'Englishized' version:

"...he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. Then that lawless one will be revealed... (2 Thessalonians 2:7-8 NASB)

The one who restrains is the Holy Spirit indwelt church. When it's removed, THEN the lawless one, the Antichrist, is revealed. Remember, the Holy Spirit can't be "taken out of the way". He's God the Holy Spirit and He's omni-present (Psalm 139:7-10). But the Church, who's indwelt by the Holy Spirit, well, we're going for a ride shortly...

[Murph]

The fact that Obama was born to a Muslim father...but says he is not a Muslim illustrates that verse...in Daniel I think.

Like I said something to think on.

[Rednek32]

I've been thinkin on this all day today and this is what i thunked.

Yes like kiefer says the anti Christ won't be revealed until after the rapture but that doesn't mean he can't or won't be in power somewhere before we are raptured. Thus both verses can be reconciled together.

anyway this is just what I thunked today.

God bless

[Murph]

Nov 20, 2008 14:57:21 GMT -6 Murph said:

The fact that Obama was born to a Muslim father...but says he is not a Muslim illustrates that verse...in Daniel, I think.

Like I said, something to think on.

Listen fellas, I am 62 years old and maybe don't express myself as well as I once did...if I ever did, so I'll take another crack at it because I am 62 years old and can...and no one but the Lord can stop me.

It was a eureka thing. I read it and realized what it meant. Obama does not regard the god of his fathers, Allah.

Still working on the desire of women...the desire of women in that time was to bare the Christ Child...in other words the anti-christ regards not the Lord...nor any other god because he will regard himself as god...

is how I read it.

as for Obama being the anti-christ to be revealed...I said I didn't know, no one does except the Lord. Hasn't been revealed because Lot hasn't left Sodom yet.

by the same token none of you know for an absolute certainty either...

probably just made things worse...best to just walk away.

bare in mind that I am old enough to be mother to most of you... ;D
and by virtue of age probably closer to coming face to face with the Lord...
unless the Trump sounds first.

[Keith]

The word "revealed" in that verse is 'apokalupto' [G601]. It means to 'disclose' or 'reveal'. Yes, the Antichrist is almost definitely in power somewhere today, but he will not be revealed till after the church is gone...the Bible says so.

Absolutely NO WHERE in Scripture is the Church even hinted to the possibility of guessing who it might be. The Church is always to watch for Christ, not Antichrist.

'But Keith, there's nothing wrong with guessing' you might say. Yes, there is, it's not our job or we would have been given Biblical instruction, but we're not supposed to know.

Anyone you think might be the Antichrist while the Church is here won't be him. He will be someone who has kept such a low profile that he's not on anyone's radar, else he couldn't "by peace destroy many" (Daniel 8:25). There would simply be too much suspicion on someone the Church had 'pointed out'.

EDITED TO ADD:

Nov 20, 2008 11:17:31 GMT -6 Murph said:

Was reading something on the anti-christ and read Daniel 11:37

"Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers,"

The word "God" is [H430] 'eloheem'. It's the plural of H433 and means 'gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article).

Islam is a monotheistic theology. They don't even believe Allah is Triune as is the Christian God. This verse would be referring to a belief system which worshipped either our Triune God or many gods, such as was done in Egypt during Moses time.

Obama's father was Muslim, therefore he worshipped Allah, one god. Like I said, it's not Obama.

[veterinarian]

It is all very fascinating. I find it amazing that people are so quick to REALLY worship a man and look to him for their complete salvation. Most will turn right around and start to talk about how "everyone" in their life has betrayed them--always looking to anyone other than God for answers.

Couldn't this be the "spirit of the antichrist" or some sort of example of how people will respond to the antichrist? I agree with Duck; the attitude most take toward Obama seems to be a bit too much on the worship side.

[Keith]

Nov 24, 2008 8:57:01 GMT -6 veterinarian said:

Couldn't this be the "spirit of the antichrist" or some sort of example of how people will respond to the antichrist?

Yes, it is Vet, that's very good. What we're seeing is exactly how it will be during Tribulation, only moreso. Consider:

"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time." (1 John 2:18)

I'm not saying Obama is an Antichrist, I'm saying he's not THE Antichrist, and that verse tells us we know it's the last days because of how he's being reverred. This mindset is simply one of the End Times signs, and the Lord is using him to show us that.

[heart]

I heard that there is going to be 1 million people at his inaugaration.

[Murph]

security is going to be a nightmare...

[charlescameron]

Here are some notes on Daniel.
1:1-2:16- ‘Daniel resolved not to defile himself’(8). Daniel was devoted to the Lord. It was not easy to live as the Lord’s faithful servant. His dedication to the Lord was put to the test - ‘Test your servants’(12). Our faith is put to the test. We ‘suffer many trials’. Why does God allow our faith to be tested by ‘all kinds of trials? - ‘The testing of your faith produces steadfastness’.‘These have come so that your faith, which is much more precious than gold, may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honour when Jesus Christ is revealed’(1 Peter 1:6-7; James 1:2-3). Knowing that ‘every trial falls from above, traced upon our dial by the Sun of Love’, may we learn to ‘trust God fully’and ‘find Him wholly true’(Mission Praise, 421).
2:17-49- ‘In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a Kingdom that will never be destroyed’(44). There is only one Kingdom which stands forever - the Kingdom of God. His Kingdom is eternal. Through Christ, ‘the Kingdom of God has come near to us’(Luke 10:9). Christ is the ‘King of kings’(Revelation 17:14;19:16). ‘His throne will last for ever and ever’. ‘His Kingdom will never end’. ‘He will reign for ever and ever’(Hebrews 1:8; Luke 1:33; Revelation 11:15). Christ is ‘triumphant... ever reigning... enthroned for ever’: ‘Sin and death and hell shall never stifle hymns of love. So, our hearts and voices raising through the ages long... this shall be our song: Yours the glory and the crown...’(Mission Praise, 77).
3:1-30- ‘We want you to know, O king, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up’(18). We have no other king but the Lord. He alone is King. He alone is to be worshipped. We are to ‘have no other gods before Him’. We are ‘not to make for ourselves an idol’which takes the place of the Lord (Exodus 20:3-4). The Lord must come first in our lives. He is to be our ‘first love’- ‘the love of our heart: ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart...’(Revelation 2:4; Mark 12:30). Jesus asks us, ‘Do you love me?’. He waits for our reply: ‘I love You’(John 21:15-17). ‘I love the Name of Jesus. King of my heart, He is everything to me’. ‘I love You, O Lord, You alone... my God who shall have all my praise’. (Mission Praise, 285,286).
4:1-37- ‘His Kingdom is an eternal Kingdom; His dominion endures from generation to generation’(3). The generations rise and fall - ‘You sweep men away in the sleep of death; they are like the new grass of the morning... by evening it is dry and withered’; ‘As for man, his days are like grass... the wind blows over it and it is gone, and its place remembers it no more’(Psalms 90:5-6; 103-15-16). The Lord is ‘the everlasting God’: ‘From everlasting to everlasting You are God’. His love is an ‘everlasting’love: ‘From everlasting to everlasting the Lord’s love is with those who fear Him’. The Lord ‘has established His throne in heaven, and His Kingdom rules over all’. He is ‘our dwelling-place throughout all generations’(Isaiah 40:28; Psalms 90:1-2; 103:17,19).
5:1-31- We are not to ‘praise the gods of gold and silver...’(4). Material possessions must never take the place of God. Seeking material prosperity is not to be the most important thing in our lives. We are to ‘seek first His Kingdom...’. We are to ‘grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ’(Matthew 6:33; 2 Peter 3:18). ‘I’d rather have Jesus than silver or gold, I’d rather be His than have riches untold...I’d rather have Jesus... than to be the king of a vast domain and be held in sin’s dread sway. I’d rather have Jesus than anything this world affords today. I’d rather have Jesus than men’s applause, I’d rather be faithful to His dear cause; I’d rather have Jesus than world-wide fame, I’d rather be true to His holy Name’(Mission Praise, 319).
6:1-28- ‘He is the living God and He endures for ever; His Kingdom will not be destroyed, His dominion will never end’(26). He is the living God. He is also the loving God - ‘His love endures forever’(Psalm 136). He is the King. He is a very special kind of king. He is ‘the King of Love’. The coming of God’s Kingdom will be the victory of His love: ‘Kingdoms of the world become the kingdoms of the Lord: Love has the victory for ever!’. We enjoy the victory of His love as we lift our hearts to Him in worship: ‘Who can see Your greatest Gift and fail to worship You?’. We enjoy the victory of His love as we give our lives to Him in service: ‘Let us labour for the Master... Let us talk of all His wondrous love...’(Church Hymnary, 388; Mission Praise, 86,759).
7:1-28- ‘There before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven... His Kingdom is one that will never be destroyed’(13-14). These words point us to Christ’s description of His Second Coming, the Coming of His Kingdom: ‘They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory’(Matthew 24:30). In Revelation 1:7, we have another echo of Daniel’s ‘vision’: ‘Look, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him’. ‘Lo! He comes, with clouds descending... Yea, Amen! let all adore Thee, high on Thine eternal throne; Saviour, take the power and glory, claim the Kingdom for Thine own. O come quickly! O come quickly! O come quickly! Alleluia! Come, Lord, come!’(Church Hymnary, 316).
8:1-27- Here, we have a ‘vision’concerning ‘the distant future’, ‘the time of the end’(26,17). Here, we catch a glimpse of Satan, the very powerful enemy of God’s people. Satan’s poweris very frightening - ‘His power shall be great, and he shall cause fearful destruction...’. It was the power of Satan which lay behind the ‘stern-faced king’: ‘He will become very strong, but not by his own power’(23-24). Satan’s power will be broken. Satan faces certain defeat- ‘He will be defeated’. How will he be defeated? Wewill not defeat him - ‘He will not be destroyed by human power’. There is only one Power able to destroy the power of Satan: ‘He shall be broken by the hand of God’. ‘Thanks be to God who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ’(1 Corinthians 15:57).
9:1-27- ‘O Lord, listen! O Lord, forgive! O Lord, hear and act!’(19). How do we know God will hear and answer our prayer as we look to Him for salvation? - ‘The Lord our God is merciful and forgiving, even though we have rebelled against Him’(9). We come to God with our sin- We are ‘dead in our sins and wickedness’. He comes to us with His grace- ‘By grace you have been saved through faith’. We come to God, deeply conscious of our sin. We know in our hearts that we can do nothing to save ourselves. The way of salvation can never begin with the word, ‘I’. It always begins with God. It begins with His love - ‘His great love for us’: ‘God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our sins’(Ephesians 2:1,4-5,8).
10:1-11:13- Daniel came to God in great weakness- ‘I am helpless... My strength is gone...’(16-17). From the Lord, Daniel received great strength- ‘The One who looked like a man touched me and gave me strength... When He spoke to me, I was strengthened...’. Daniel’s strength came from the loveof God and the peaceof God. God assured Daniel of His love for him. He called Daniel a ‘man greatly beloved’. God spoke His Word of peace to Daniel: ‘Peace be with you’. As God revealed His love and peace to him, Daniel came to realize that there was no need to be afraid. He could ‘be strong’in the Lord (18-19). When we are weak, let us come to God and receive His strength - ‘His grace is sufficient for us. His strength is made perfect in weakness’(2 Corinthians 12:9).
11:14-45- We are to live for God- ‘The people who know their God shall be strong and do great things’. We are to stand against Satan- ‘The people who know their God will firmly resist him’(32). Living for God and standing against Satan, we must ‘put on the whole armour of God’. ‘Strong in the Lord’, we ‘take our stand against the devil’s schemes’(Ephesians 6:10-11). ‘Soldiers of Christ, arise and put your armour on, strong in the strength which God supplies through His eternal Son... From strength to strength go on, wrestle and fight and pray, tread all the powers of darkness down and win the well-fought day that, having all things done and all your conflicts past, ye may o’ercome through Christ alone and stand complete at last’(Church Hymnary, 441).
12:1-13- We read of two very different futures - ‘everlasting life’and ‘everlasting contempt’(2). We receive ‘eternal life’through ‘believing that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God’. Through faith in Him, we ‘know that we have eternal life’. God gives us His promise: ‘He who has the Son has life’. To those who ‘overcome’, through ‘believing that Jesus is the Son of God’, God gives this promise: ‘I will never blot his name out of the Book of Life’. Alongside His promise, there is His warning: ‘He who does not have the Son of God does not have life’. To those who refuse to come to Christ for salvation, God gives this warning: ‘If anyone’s name was not written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire’(John 20:31; 1 John 5:5,11-13; Revelation 3:5; 20:15).